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RR5
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #2
You must be a member to attend this training. That's going to motivate me to become a member! 2 hour zoom meeting about a mini count that basically counts a little raw mail, but when it comes to training about a complex system called rrecs for the last few years we get little to nothing. Usps had training for postmasters this week all day, but also did nothing to train the rural craft about rrecs for the last year. Wonder why? Keep the craft ignorant, lower the evaluations, save many many millions of dollars. Why didn't they just shove a piece of paper to the postmasters and say here you go like they did us?
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ATCBigE
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #3
RR5 said:
You must be a member to attend this training. That's going to motivate me to become a member! 2 hour zoom meeting about a mini count that basically counts a little raw mail, but when it comes to training about a complex system called rrecs for the last few years we get little to nothing. Usps had training for postmasters this week all day, but also did nothing to train the rural craft about rrecs for the last year. Wonder why? Keep the craft ignorant, lower the evaluations, save many many millions of dollars. Why didn't they just shove a piece of paper to the postmasters and say here you go like they did us?
BINGO!!!!!!!!! Why are so many people upset at the union????? This right here. When carriers complained they didn't get trained? What did we get? A couple pieces of paper. That is some high grade training on how to hit buttons.
gotstamps
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2023
- #4
RR5 said:
You must be a member to attend this training. That's going to motivate me to become a member! 2 hour zoom meeting about a mini count that basically counts a little raw mail, but when it comes to training about a complex system called rrecs for the last few years we get little to nothing. Usps had training for postmasters this week all day, but also did nothing to train the rural craft about rrecs for the last year. Wonder why? Keep the craft ignorant, lower the evaluations, save many many millions of dollars. Why didn't they just shove a piece of paper to the postmasters and say here you go like they did us?
There were Zoom Trainings on RRECS before it went live for Union members to attend as well as a ton of info on the website. Even now before the district Zooms happen there is a lot of info to download, read, or print out.
The trainings for the Postmasters didn’t last all day in my area. My PM was back in the early afternoon. Guess it just depends on how many questions they asked. The presentation at SWAC was only a few hours long.
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RR5
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #5
Are all postmasters members in their union? Should all postmasters have the right to go to the training meeting if they don't belong to the union? Do they have the right to this information? I don't think so. But maybe they are all union members, I don't know.
gotstamps
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #6
RR5 said:
Are all postmasters members in their union? Should all postmasters have the right to go to the training meeting if they don't belong to the union? Do they have the right to this information? I don't think so. But maybe they are all union members, I don't know.
Their training session has nothing to do with their Union. Their Union has nothing to do with RRECS & the training isn’t just for Postmasters. The trainings are for 1 Postmaster or designated supervisor & the Local Steward. I did hear that a volunteer carrier could go where no Local Steward is in office.
RR5
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #7
No training for non members has everything to do with the association. Their decision to screw non members resulted in a high percentage of carriers to do only the six required scans. That will result in much lower evaluations. They knew and said that management failed to train the rural carriers, but even today they still block non members from their site. Why? RRECS will effect all rural carriers, so all rural carriers have the right to know the importance of all the scans, where to scan, end of shift time, etc. I know as much as possible about rrecs, this isn't about me, I do the scans, but this will negatively hurt many carriers when their evaluations drop because they didn't know. Association don't care, their decision to keep it to members only is cold. Go ahead and defend this clown outfit, I don't care. Ive made the decision since I'm a scumbag non member, I won't take part in these threads anymore. Good luck to all and farewell!
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ATCBigE
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #8
RR5 said:
No training for non members has everything to do with the association. Their decision to screw non members resulted in a high percentage of carriers to do only the six required scans. That will result in much lower evaluations. They knew and said that management failed to train the rural carriers, but even today they still block non members from their site. Why? RRECS will effect all rural carriers, so all rural carriers have the right to know the importance of all the scans, where to scan, end of shift time, etc. I know as much as possible about rrecs, this isn't about me, I do the scans, but this will negatively hurt many carriers when their evaluations drop because they didn't know. Association don't care, their decision to keep it to members only is cold. Go ahead and defend this clown outfit, I don't care. Ive made the decision since I'm a scumbag non member, I won't take part in these threads anymore. Good luck to all and farewell!
Exactly. Bidding on routes in district or in office will be much more interesting. That affects everyone. Is person on route doing the extra scans or just the sacred 6?
I have no issue if this was the OLD MAIL COUNT and it was MEMBERS ONLY. How long has that count been around for? Years. A brand new count with a crap ton of variables and etc, but yet we only want a certain few knowing about it.
Again if the union wants to have seminar after the count in preparation for next mini count and want it to be MEMBERS ONLY, I have no issue. The first time a brand new timing system goes into effect everyone needs to know what to do.
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Carrierguy
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #9
ATCBigE said:
Exactly. Bidding on routes in district or in office will be much more interesting. That affects everyone. Is person on route doing the extra scans or just the sacred 6?
I have no issue if this was the OLD MAIL COUNT and it was MEMBERS ONLY. How long has that count been around for? Years. A brand new count with a crap ton of variables and etc, but yet we only want a certain few knowing about it.
Again if the union wants to have seminar after the count in preparation for next mini count and want it to be MEMBERS ONLY, I have no issue. The first time a brand new timing system goes into effect everyone needs to know what to do.
Honestly what is the point of the union. I’m not even joking. Not once have they tried to defend me, reaching out to them is one of the worst experiences, and they have provided no communication and no training on anything.
Objectively, what changes have they implemented?
Late contracts.
Low pay.
No backpay.
USPS not abiding by the contract on multiple occasions.
gotstamps
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2023
- #10
It’s still not on the Union to train carriers. If a Carrier is willing to just do the 6 scans that mgmt mandates & just believe that the others listed on the sheet & in the scanner are just for ”recreational use”, they have another thing coming when RRECS is in full swing. Even in offices where there is a Steward or Union Members relaying info, the non-members won’t listen or take it seriously.
BTW, the Pre-Survey Zoom is only about 2 hours long. Previous Mail Count Trainings went from 2-4 hours depending on participation. Way too often I have been the only Carrier out of 50-70 Rural Craft in my office to attend these trainings or even a Local Meeting. The Carriers just didn’t care enough to bother with it & just assumed the Counters would count everything correctly. I‘ve seen Carriers pad their #s at the last few days just to be sure.
Even the “Pre-count Conference“ has now been moved to a Stand-Up Talk.
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Carrierguy
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #11
gotstamps said:
It’s still not on the Union to train carriers. If a Carrier is willing to just do the 6 scans that mgmt mandates & just believe that the others listed on the sheet & in the scanner are just for ”recreational use”, they have another thing coming when RRECS is in full swing. Even in offices where there is a Steward or Union Members relaying info, the non-members won’t listen or take it seriously.
BTW, the Pre-Survey Zoom is only about 2 hours long. Previous Mail Count Trainings went from 2-4 hours depending on participation. Way too often I have been the only Carrier out of 50-70 Rural Craft in my office to attend these trainings or even a Local Meeting. The Carriers just didn’t care enough to bother with it & just assumed the Counters would count everything correctly. I‘ve seen Carriers pad their #s at the last few days just to be sure.
Even the “Pre-count Conference“ has now been moved to a Stand-Up Talk.
Way to blame the employee for following management’s instructions. And when it’s a national occurrence perhaps that’s bad training by management.
There’s plenty of things in the scanner and at no point am I compensated nor given any training materials to start to understand it. I don’t know what “batch scan” is. I don’t know how to operate the flashlight. Why are we expected to know what random abbreviations stand for?
If neither my union nor my employer share stuff with me how am I to know it even exists?
gotstamps
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #12
Carrierguy said:
Honestly what is the point of the union. I’m not even joking. Not once have they tried to defend me, reaching out to them is one of the worst experiences, and they have provided no communication and no training on anything.
Objectively, what changes have they implemented?
Late contracts.
Low pay.
No backpay.
USPS not abiding by the contract on multiple occasions.
Filing Grievances is the only way to fight violations.
Too many Carriers & Clerks in my office want to complain to the Union Reps but refuse to write statements or file grievances. They want their Unions to waltz in & make mgmt do right without the employees backing them up.
BTW… All Unions run late with Contract Negotiations, not just ours.
The pay is ”low” for some but you can than the APWU & Arbitration for that.
Backpay is Feb 17 paycheck. 10.5 Months isn’t good but neither was the 9 months it took last time. Still… better than nothing.
Contract Violations need to be filed on by Carriers. If they aren’t willing to step up, they can’t complain.
gotstamps
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #13
Carrierguy said:
Way to blame the employee for following management’s instructions. And when it’s a national occurrence perhaps that’s bad training by management.
The Carriers were given a cheat sheet with ALL of the scans & what they are used for. It is on the Carriers to do better. Rural Carriers complain that they don’t want mgmt micromanaging them & now you say they do? 
Carrierguy said:
There’s plenty of things in the scanner and at no point am I compensated nor given any training materials to start to understand it. I don’t know what “batch scan” is. I don’t know how to operate the flashlight. Why are we expected to know what random abbreviations stand for?
If neither my union nor my employer share stuff with me how am I to know it even exists?
So the cheat sheet that mgmt handed to ALL Rural Craft wasn’t enough explanation of what each of the RRECS scans are for? And here I thought it was self explanatory.
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She mails rural
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #14
The training will only be in the po favor anyway and like all the other information gave from our union it's all been contradictory or took from or added to or changed all together or what you thought you had a credit of doing right you find out a year later you've been doing it wrong. Woops no fixing them numbers. Also let's not forget who's entering these numbers if any so I really don't think a so called any training is going to help anyone, but if I had to pick one I think it should of stayed the traditional way no matter what!
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Carrierguy
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #15
gotstamps said:
Filing Grievances is the only way to fight violations.
Too many Carriers & Clerks in my office want to complain to the Union Reps but refuse to write statements or file grievances. They want their Unions to waltz in & make mgmt do right without the employees backing them up.BTW… All Unions run late with Contract Negotiations, not just ours.
The pay is ”low” for some but you can than the APWU & Arbitration for that.
Backpay is Feb 17 paycheck. 10.5 Months isn’t good but neither was the 9 months it took last time. Still… better than nothing.
Contract Violations need to be filed on by Carriers. If they aren’t willing to step up, they can’t complain.
But the NRLCA can still fight for higher pay even with the arbitration. Is that happening?
The NRLCA didn’t get us backpay due on Feb 17. The USPS did that. In fact it’s actually worse than last time. How is that somehow better?
So when RCA’s weren’t getting their benefits that was on the carriers to file a grievance?
And yet. You’ve still not actually named anything the NRLCA has accomplished.
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Carrierguy
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #16
gotstamps said:
The Carriers were given a cheat sheet with ALL of the scans & what they are used for. It is on the Carriers to do better. Rural Carriers complain that they don’t want mgmt micromanaging them & now you say they do?
So the cheat sheet that mgmt handed to ALL Rural Craft wasn’t enough explanation of what each of the RRECS scans are for? And here I thought it was self explanatory.
Oh my bad I forgot that 1 paper with scans on it is appropriate training for all of RRECS. And wasn’t some of that information changed?
I’m sorry since when is actual training on a new pay system “micromanaging”?
Is RRECS only the scans? I’m pretty sure there’s more to it than just scanning.
You guys sure seem determined to blame the carrier when objectively the training provided has been inadequate.
gotstamps
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #17
Carrierguy said:
But the NRLCA can still fight for higher pay even with the arbitration. Is that happening?
The raises listed in the Contract & having our COLA calculation start where it left off instead of losing months of calculation like last Contract. That is definitely better.
Carrierguy said:
The NRLCA didn’t get us backpay due on Feb 17. The USPS did that. In fact it’s actually worse than last time. How is that somehow better?
Didn’t say it was better than before, just better than nothing. If we had gone to Arbitration, we’d be in worse shape than we are.
Carrierguy said:
So when RCA’s weren’t getting their benefits that was on the carriers to file a grievance?
Yes
Carrierguy said:
And yet. You’ve still not actually named anything the NRLCA has accomplished.
Didn’t realize you needed a “list” but a few would be COLA calculation from the Previous COLA date, AL for all RCAs, auto leave approvals after 3 days, and mandatory Career positions in Formula offices. That’s just off of the top of my head.
I wish we had mandatory PTFs back when I was a sub… I’d be a lot closer to retirement!
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Carrierguy
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- Jan 21, 2023
- #18
gotstamps said:
The raises listed in the Contract & having our COLA calculation start where it left off instead of losing months of calculation like last Contract. That is definitely better.
Didn’t say it was better than before, just better than nothing. If we had gone to Arbitration, we’d be in worse shape than we are.
Yes
Didn’t realize you needed a “list” but a few would be COLA calculation from the Previous COLA date, AL for all RCAs, auto leave approvals after 3 days, and mandatory Career positions in Formula offices. That’s just off of the top of my head.
I wish we had mandatory PTFs back when I was a sub… I’d be a lot closer to retirement!
I’m sorry. Your standards are terribly low.
Better than nothing.
COLA honestly is kinda pointless in most normal times, sure it worked out this year because of historic inflation but 99% of the time the difference will be negligible
AL for RCA’s…okay that’s nice.
Auto leave after 3 days….thank my lucky stars what would I do without them! 
PTFs…thank the stars for a PTF! Because creating a career position because you can’t find RCA’s is gonna fix everything.
gotstamps
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2023
- #19
Carrierguy said:
Oh my bad I forgot that 1 paper with scans on it is appropriate training for all of RRECS. And wasn’t some of that information changed?
The WSH was removed from WSS scans. Supposedly those are included in the Presort Bundles Data. There was a SUT that was supposed to be held in each office. Some had 2 SUTs cause Carriers weren’t paying attention the 1st time.
Carrierguy said:
I’m sorry since when is actual training on a new pay system “micromanaging”?
You claimed that mgmt wasn’t telling Carriers to do the other scans. Do you really want mgmt constantly reminding carriers of what scans to do & when? I prefer they leave me be… I know my job.
Carrierguy said:
Is RRECS only the scans? I’m pretty sure there’s more to it than just scanning.
For the Carrier it is just the Scans. Mapping was done previously & the Mini Survey takes care of the rest.
Carrierguy said:
You guys sure seem determined to blame the carrier when objectively the training provided has been inadequate.
I thought the training was just fine but I don’t need constant reminding. Give me the documentation & I’m good to go.
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Jacob6875
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2023
- #20
ATCBigE said:
BINGO!!!!!!!!! Why are so many people upset at the union????? This right here. When carriers complained they didn't get trained? What did we get? A couple pieces of paper. That is some high grade training on how to hit buttons.
I think it is going to depend on your area but we got a bunch of stuff mailed to us about RRECS from our local branch. Explanations about all the entries and what we should be doing etc.
There is also the 99 page guide and super long Q and A about the system online.
They also had Zoom training sessions for it etc.
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